SupplySideRules (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

HEY WALRU-MAN: JUST TELL ME WHOSE OF MY FACTS ARE FALSE AND I WILL PROVE THEN TRUE. You are not a gentleman, there are facts that you dislike and then you say that the person that tells those facts is a LUNATIC. What a loser you are.

coolbreezed (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

So you support total government control over corporate affairs and heavy taxation of corporations and the "rich" in an effort to counteract the effects of the Bush tax cut and basically punish them for their culpability in this present financial crisis? Is that correct? If those are your ideas for future American economic success than all I can do is ask you this. What do you think corporations/business will do once they realize that their taxes and government control over them is increasing?

coolbreezed (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

The Constitution's taxing/spending power and commerce clause are necessary for the survival of this country and reason why the Articles of Confederation failed. But they are still coercion, you assume I think that all coercion is wrong. I do not. The deregulation of the mortgage industry in which you refer, as I have explained to you, is a failure of gov. and not corporations. Corps. are expected to take the utmost advantage of current law to their benefit. This should have been foreseen.

WALRU11 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

CB: The neo-fascistic G.O.P. has confiscated trillions in citizen tax dollars (whose tax share, once 48% is now 80%) to redistribute to corporate military contractors like Halliburton, G.E., & others whose tax share, once 35%, is now 11%. Bush cut taxes for the richest 1% & C-level execs often pay no taxes or at most, 15%, owing to structured deferments. Via govt contracts, bailouts, & lack of regulation corporations, not private citizens are the beneficiaries of the bulk of our tax dollars.

WALRU11 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

CB: Your extremist views see only black & white. The govt can induce compliance via incentives as I have outlined & use the courts when violations of the public interest are exercised. Re: outsourcing, we ought to revert to our original legal policy of approving or disapproving corporate relocation. What you fail to comprehend is that failure to regulate HAS hurt the U.S. economy. You are incredibly obtuse & just don't get it. 8 years of govt obeisance to corporate will has ruined us.

coolbreezed (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

And the government attains legal and ethical compliance through coercion. Plain and simple. You disagree? Please prove otherwise. At no point did I support corporate hegemony. You have simply morphed my statement of fact (which is corporations will choose another country to do business in if we make it difficult to operate in this country) and compared it to a wanna-be fascist. Thats quite a stretch. So my question still stands, how do we regulate corporations w/o hurting the U.S. economy?

WALRU11 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

CB: "Coercion" is your word, not mine. So prejudicial & pejorative a word exposes your extremist beliefs. The govt's proper role is to ensure corporate legal & ethical compliance with the public interest. At our govt's outset, businesses were only allowed to incorporate by govt. charter & then, only for limited periods per stated project. Not a bad idea. Your support of transnational corporate hegemony nullifies any pretense you have toward U.S. citizen interests. You parrot "il Duce," not me.

coolbreezed (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

So your solution is government coercion over American corporations? Right? While I agree your policy would be effective in a vacuum, the corporations are without borders (as you know), so what's to stop them from increasing their outsourcing in response to your would be effective protectionist ideas? As for quoting Mussolini or other dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Pot, et al, I find it best not to quote horrible dictators with massive body counts to bolster my arguments. But that just me.

WALRU11 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

SS-Man: I interrupt my willful censure of you merely to reiterate that you are a rightwing raving lunatic whose "facts" are nothing more than polemic cant. You are completely BLIND to the disastrous failures of your supply-siders whose deregulation & failure to enforce antitrust laws have brought this nation to economic ruination. The records of Reagan & both Bushes are factually among the worst in U.S. economic history resulting in incalculable human suffering. You're an idiot! Enough!

WALRU11 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Mussolini said fascism is "corporatism." Your zealotry for corporate rights over those of individual citizens is a form of extremism that can only be equated with fascism. As for economic growth, I've been very specific. But as you are obviously obtuse, I'll go further. Penalize outsourcing, tie corporate tax incentives to new R&D, manufacturing in low-income U.S. areas, & job training for new technologies. Cap C-level bonuses & scale them percentage-wise to employee incomes & profit sharing.